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    Posted: 07 September 2009 at 6:11pm
Hi, my family and I are looking for a dog and we think a goldendoodle or labradoodle would be ideal.

Does anyone know of any breeders in Ireland? I am hoping to get a puppy within the next few months.

I have done a lot of research and feel that this breed would be most suitable for us.

Thanks for any feedback, Aoife Smile
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Hi There are lots of Lab cross dogs in pound, You could try there  for a pup or a rescue center a labradoodle isnt a breed its only a cross breed, the crossing of two pedigree parents, A golden doodle the same, a golden retriever cross poodle.
There are breeder's of these dogs all over Ireland I would think lots of them are not ethical breeders and  I would like to be corrected on this.
One this last note just because there parents are IKC reg or uKC reg it doesnt mean the parents have been tested for there hips elbows and eye tests and whatever else thse two breeds need tests for.
If you are however determined to go get one of these puppies make sure you see all the test result papers and not photocopies and check out the parent details with there papers. To check what your buying is the right pup,
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Hi tigerlily thanks for your response. We have considered getting a rescue pup, but we would like to get a dog that doesnt shed too much and as we have a cat too we want to get a dog that will get on ok with it.

I know that a labradoodle is a cross breed and that people have problems with paying out money for what is essentially a mutt, but i think that a doodle, with the right parents, will be the right dog for our family. I am studying veterinary so I am very aware of making sure that the puppy is from a reputable source and making sure that the parents are in good health and have had tests to prove it.

Thanks again for your advice,

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No problem I hope you find your ideal pet andfamily dog.xx
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You have no guarantee with a labradoodle that it will not shed as the labrador does shed a lot if you really want a non shed breed I would suggest looking at a poodle or a bichon or kerry blue but being a terrier it would have to be surpervised around the cat to learn not to chase the cat. 
You will probably find it hard to get a labradoodle that the parents have been tested as they are not a recognised breed and a lot of the breeders would not health test.
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Thanks again for the reply, I am still just looking for info on anyone who breeds them.

 I am aware that as they are not a purebred dog that there are no guarantees as regards coat quality, colour, size and many other genetically inherited traits, but I am still happy that I would like to get a dog of this type. The reason for wanting a dog who doesn't shed much is not because anyone in the house is allergic or has athsma etc, so it is not crucial that the dog is very low-shedding.

I have considered many other breeds who do not shed, but as most of these are terriers I feel they would not be suitable around a cat. I will of course be getting the dog as a puppy and get it used the cat while it is young, regardeless of what kind of dog it is. We are looking for a medium sized dog so this rules out many low-shedding dogs. I am still considering a wheaten terrier also.

I am aware that it is hard to find a labradoodle that the parents have been tested, that's why I have posted on this forum!! I have found one breeder in Northern Ireland who has her dogs health tested, but I am trying to find others for comparison and this breeder has a very long waiting list.

http://northernirelandgoldendoodles.co.uk/index.html?_ret_=return

I have also been looking at breeders in the UK
http://www.labradoodles.co.uk/

but, again, any more info on Breeders would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi aoife, if you are looking for a dog the size of a lab that doesnt shed wouldyou consider getting a standard poodle? they are a bit bigger than labs but they are guaranteed not to shed and if you contact the Poodle Club of Ireland to find out when their next letter is at least you will know you are getting your pup from a reputable breeder and not someone thats just in it for the money?

If you have any questions I have 2 standard poodles so will be able to help you out!

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LB, the post has been reported so it should be removed soon.
 
And when is there such thing as miniature labradoodles??? Ive never heard of them, another made up breed by the sounds of it to make a quick buck.Angry
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mini labradoodles .. sorry prob spelt that wrong but mini what the hell is that?? people will really try to breed any mix of dog and "market" it out wont they..
 
i have no harm in the girl looking for a labradoodle i hope it works out for her but why or how or when did this "trend" to start crossing everything with poodles? its like oh i want a certain breed of dog .. oh they shed a lot do they .. oh i know ill cross it with a poodle that will make it none shed.. it doesnt work like that !!
 
i read an article from a poodle breeder who is furious about the new "trend" of crossing poodles, these dogs are like the fashion they are the new "in thing" and its wrong.. was what he said and i agree with him.
 
also these new mini pigs.. a woman on tv3 said "oh thier the new chihuahua in the handbag" they are ANIMALS not FASHION ACCESORIES
 
ok .. big breath .. rant over .. sorry just trying to put a point across
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I know Sinead, its a shame, as its the poor animals that are suffering. But as long as theres a market for these poor doggies people will keep selling them and lining their pockets.
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Sinead as far as I can remember it started in australia back in the 70's or 80's by the guide dog association over there, they wanted to create a new breed of dog that was hypo-allergenic for allergy sufferers that needed a guide dog, they started crossing labs with poodles but abandoned it because not all the offspring were hypo-allergenic (which is different to non-shed), I think the only way you can tell if a dog is truely hypo-allergenic as opposed to only non-shed is to do tests, which im sure were very expensive. I think the irish guide dogs are using labradoodles and goldendoodles now though.
 
Im not sure exactly when everyone else jumped on the bandwagon to cross everything with poodles, its getting ridiculous what is being crossed with what and how much they are selling them for.
See the thing is its unregulated, theres no register for them so puppy farmers are more than delighted that they can still breed there too-old bitch/stud twice a year and claim that the parents (of two different breeds) are pure bred and get ridiculous amounts of money, whereas if they crossed two pure breds (of the same breed) the ikc won't register them if the bitch/stud is too old etc... so they get less money when selling the pure breds non-reg.
 
I thought I heard/read somewhere though that its against ikc rules to mix breeds knowingly without consent, so technically could they have their papers removed from them or refuse to register any more purebred litters from them in the future?
 
Edited to add: OP, don't rule out terriers just because they are known for cat chasing, I have met many a terrier that lives happily with cats. If the dog is got as a pup and from day 1 is discoaraged from chasing there shouldn't be too much of a problem, also when looking for a terrier pup make sure they aren't from working lines as the desire to chase would be stronger.
I have a cairn terrier x and a cat who both live in the house, he's not perfect and will chase the odd time but a stern 'no' and a clatter across the face from the cat's paw (she very rarely uses her claws) soon stops him.
Although he has become wise to this and now runs backwards towards her so she can't reach his face, must video him doing it because its hilarious to watch!


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mini labradoodle = miniature poodle x labrador

Originally posted by sinead006 sinead006 wrote:

i have no harm in the girl looking for a labradoodle i hope it works out for her


Sonehow I don't sense sincerity in this statement...

Originally posted by sinead006 sinead006 wrote:

but why or how or when did this "trend" to start crossing everything with poodles?
 
It's not a new trend, they have been bred in australia since the 1970's. the original purpose of the cross between a labradot and a poodle was to make a hypoallergenic dog for a blind lady. however this soon got out of had and many so called 'breeders' mate off their lab with a poodle and claim the pups are hypoallergenic. Unfortunately many of these designer dogs aren't health checked and unhealthy pups are born, but sure the same thing happend with purebred dogs. The reason I originally posted is because i am looking for a responsible breeder, as i have said above. If you want more info on the origin of labradoodles then check the link below.
http://www.laa.org.au/ala-lab/history.htm

And it's not a new phenomenon in Ireland either, as you can see from this information document from the tv vet pete wedderburn. He explains the positives and negatives of 'hybrid dogs'.
petewedderburn.com/pdf/Summe20061011.pdf

Originally posted by sinead006 sinead006 wrote:

also these new mini pigs.. a woman on tv3 said "oh thier the new chihuahua in the handbag" they are ANIMALS not FASHION ACCESORIES


I would prefer if you would not put me in the same category as people using pets as fashion statements. As i have said before I am a Veterinary student, therefore I am primarily interested in the health and wellbeing of animals. I am not about to go buy a labradoodle from any old person on donedeal unless I can see the parents are healthy dogs with all the relevant health checks and I can see that the animals are well cared for and that the breeder is breeding responsibly.

Personally I would love to take home any dog, be it a scruffy little mutt or a purebred I dont care, but as I am still living at home I have to consider everyone else in my house, and they have a list of conditions!! I will outline them below, as maybe if I do this people will understand my interest in hybrid dogs.

Medium sized dog, low shedding,
not a poodle, bichon or schnauzer (dad doesnt like themConfused)
we like the scruffy, fluffy apearance of labradoodles and wheaten terriers. so something along these lines would be ideal.
we have a cat, so the dog must be ok with cats, it will most likely have to be a puppy so the 2 can be socialised.

I am exploring the idea of getting a hybrid dog is they are healthier than purebred dogs as they have hybrid vigour.

While I would love to get a rescue dog i can't get a dog that i do not know the size they will be when they are fully grown as my family need a medium sized dog. I was at the opening of the new Dogs Trust rehoming centre in Dublin and I would have loved to take home any of those dogs , but I can't.

If anyone has a problem with me looking at getting a hybrid dog then please let me know your concerns. I am still not settled in my decision so please give me your points of view and I will consider them.

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@dee o gee, you're right, in the code of ethics of the IKC it states

I shall not permit any of my pure bred dogs to be mated except to a dog of the same breed without the consent of the Irish Kennel Club.

this is a new one on me, very interesting. I'm not sure how i feel about the whole thing now. So does this means that there is no such thing as a responsible breeder that breeds labradoodles?

Well, maybe we'll just have to go with a wheaten terrier so!!
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Originally posted by aoifecmcc aoifecmcc wrote:

@dee o gee, you're right, in the code of ethics of the IKC it states

I shall not permit any of my pure bred dogs to be mated except to a dog of the same breed without the consent of the Irish Kennel Club.

this is a new one on me, very interesting. I'm not sure how i feel about the whole thing now. So does this means that there is no such thing as a responsible breeder that breeds labradoodles?

Well, maybe we'll just have to go with a wheaten terrier so!!
 
Im sure there are responsible breeders of labradoodles but they are few and far between. In fairness all breeds had to start somewhere but they are not started by puppy farmers constantly creating F1 crosses, they are started by careful selection usually by out crossing to a number of different breeds until they isolate desirable traits, and even that can take decades. To be honest with you I don't think many of us will be around to finally see labradoodles at crufts because of all these bad breeders. I just read back on that and realised that im starting to sound like im saying that un-recognized breeds are inferior, thats definetely not what I mean, hopefully you get what im trying to say!
 
I think you might have settle with a wheaten unless your willing to put a lot of work into finding a good doodle breeder, which may mean looking abroad.
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re : I am exploring the idea of getting a hybrid dog is they are healthier than purebred dogs as they have hybrid vigour.
Just to ad a cross breed can inherit probs from bot breeds mixed but you will be checking the health of both parents so all should be ok. and Yes you can have your papers removed from your dog by the ikc for this.
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other low shed breeds include basenji,coton de  tulear, glen of imaa, havanese,westie and they dont look toyish.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sinead006 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 November 2009 at 9:24pm
aoife aoife now now .. dont say im being insencer about my comment .. that i wish you well.. i honestly do.. Smilei under stand where you are coming from and im glad your looking for a dog that is healthy rather than going on "looks" etc.. we need more people like you and from that im sure you will make a good impact in your vet. careerApprove
 
you must admit though that the whole crosing with poodles has only became REALLY popular in the last year or so.. i never or any one i know heard of it till a while ago it might be "out there" long but not popular or well known.Embarrassed
 
my comment about the mini pigs was not directly linked with YOU.. it was just a topic that can be linked with the subject of .. cross breeding to make "different"  shall we say "styles" of animals, and how people .. not directly YOU .. just some small minded people can treat them as "the new thing"
 
i 1000% agree with you that hybirds or cross breeds are healthier, i was consedering getting a bernese mt dog but on looking into the health issues they had i opted out. no offence ot any bernese owners they are beautiful dogs. if i would of got one and if god forbid it had any problems my finance would not of met so that was my main reason. also i already have four dogs .. think ill call it a day Smile
 
so again aoife i do wish you honestly the best of luck and hope you find the right dog for you be it what ever breed or cross
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info from Dogs Today breed site.. on labradoodles..
 

"Health Warning:

Hip Dysplasia (Average 14)

Only buy from eye-tested parents

Progressive Retinal Atrophy

von Willbrands Disease

Elbow Dysplasia

Parents should be tested for Sebaceous Adenetis"

 
was surprised here can they have that many problems .. not much different from the "purebreeds" if that is the case .. could be wrong though.. so dont quote me, its only one site i looked up!!

A low-shedding dog that loves water
"Boisterous, affectionate, biddable
35.5 - 76cms
Variety of colours

If you like the Labradoodle you may be interested in:
Labrador Retriever, Poodle (Standard), Curly Coated Retriever"

 

 
aoife check up on 

www.labradoodletrust.com  its an english site but has good info. im not the best on computers bear with me i cant put in links etc..

 
also this site tells us ...
 

"So you have allergies or asthma and would like a dog that won’t make you ill? You know that some dogs, like poodles, are described as hypoallergenic (low allergy), and you have seen an advert for labradoodle puppies saying that they are “allergy friendly and suitable for people with allergies”. Maybe this would be the right dog for you?The answer, unfortunately, is that the advert, in most cases, is simply wrong.Due to the variations in coat of the labradoodle, from wiry through to fleece, it is very hard to predict what sort of coat that cute fluffy pup will ultimately end up with. No dog is allergy friendly; any dog can cause an allergic reaction, although for the most common allergy to dog hair, a non-shedding breed, such as a poodle is a much safer choice than breeds that shed their coats. A labradoodle may not shed much (like a poodle), or he may shed a great deal (like a Labrador); it’s a dangerous lottery and the severely allergic should, in the most part, stay away.You may also be ok with a labradoodle puppy as tiny puppies don’t shed, but, when the coat changes in adulthood, he could cause a life-threatening allergic reaction. Obviously, this would be tragic for you and tragic for the puppy you now love, who will need a new home.We cannot stress strongly enough that allergy testing with puppies is futile."

thought that was a good point for ANYONE to know as these dogs are often advertised as ok for people with allergies

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Hi

We have our F1 Labradoodle 3 years and we got her in Silvermines, Co Tipp.  The breeder's first name is Michael.  Mother was a labrador who we met / stud was a large black poodle (all papers supplied) brought you straight into where the pups were kept.

She is an amazing dog, extremely clever.  Gentle with childeren and the best decision we have made in years.
 
She does she as do all dogs but it is minimal : if you brush your dog weekly it shouldn't be an issue.
The only problem we have with her medically is her anal glands.  They tend to fill up and harden (more than routinely) we have treated this by trying every type of food to fine the right one for her and having them squeezed regularly.
 
Recommend this cross breed to anyone.
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I really find it amazing when people say that crossbred dogs are healthier genetically depending on the breeds you miz they are more likely to have even more health problems than a pure bred dog.  I have friends in Australia where the trend for designer dogs took off and the list of ailments the designer dogs have are endless.  The responsible breeder will test their pure bred puppies for ailments known or that have occured in the breed cross bred puppies are not tested so because responsible breeders are testing it is now being said that pure breds are not as healthy. 
This statement was used in an Advertisement by a backyard (puppy farm ) in Australia and it caught on.
My main concern with the cross bred puppies and puppies unregistered is that the bitch can be continuously mated and a lot of bitches that have had six litters and can no longer have registered litter with the IKC are they then being used to produce cross bred pups there is no way of checking how many litters the bitch has produced.
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excuse my ignorance here but what does the "F1" stand for?



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I think F1 stands for first generation.  In this case the firstspring of the lab and poodle.  If you mated two F1s, from different litters of course, you then get F2s and so on.
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Originally posted by aoifecmcc aoifecmcc wrote:



Medium sized dog, low shedding,
not a poodle, bichon or schnauzer (dad doesnt like themConfused)
we like the scruffy, fluffy apearance of labradoodles and wheaten terriers. so something along these lines would be ideal.

 
Im guessing the reason your dad doesn't like them is because they aren't very manly dogs? Poodles don't have to have that funny looking pom-pom look, if you don't groom them to look like that they can have a scruffy appearance. Wink
 
This is copied from dogbreedinfo.com:

F1 = 1st generation puppy - 50% purebred-A and 50% purebred-B - for example, a Golden Retriever to Poodle cross, this is first generation, resulting in healthier offspring. In this particular Goldendoodle cross hair type can be smooth like a Golden, wirey look like a Irish wolfhound or Wavy/shaggy, they can shed or not shed, pups in the same litter can vary. This is not the best cross for people with severe allergies.

F1b = backcross puppy - 25% purebred-A and 75% purebred-B. For example, an F1 Goldendoodle and Poodle cross; this is Goldendoodle bred back to Poodle, Wavy Curly shaggy look doodle very consistent in coat types. F1b is the MOST likely of any to be non shedding and allergy friendly then ANY doodles (poodle crosses) and is the easiest coat to take care of.

F2 = second generation puppy - F1 hybrid crossed with an F1 hybrid - for example, an F1 Goldendoodle crossed with an F1 Goldendoodle. This combination you get the same percentage of purebred-A as purebred-B as you would an F1 hybrid. In the case of the Goldendoodle, they are more likely to shed.

F2b = second generation backcross puppy = F1 bred to a F1b (hybrid backcross)

F3 = F2 hybrid to F2 hybrid

Multi-generation = F3 or higher generation hybrid crossed with F3 or higher generation hybrid

 
Edited to add: Aoife have you had any luck with your quest for a pup yet?


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